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Maxis Premade Sim Genetics

I've been thinking about the Good Genes III contest at GoS, and what really interests me in it is not wondering if the ugly would breed out (I think we all knew it would, given three generations), but which Maxis sim features you're left with. Planning for those three faces to blend with an attractive (and hopefully unique) final result is what made it so interesting to me. A lot of people go the Face One/Face Two route, but are their sims interesting enough to win the contest? Pretty is pretty, but what stands out enough to win? It remains to be seen, I guess. I know I'm more interested in seeing the diamonds in the rough, making pretty from unexpected gene choices. I'd like to see people receive bonus points for using a sim like Chester Gieke or Malcolm Landgraab, but lose points for every Brandi, Ajay, Don, or Cyd (or any other Face One/Two type).

Speaking of odd gene choices, I'm surprised that so many people have used Oberon (he's at least as popular as Don Lothario), because his nose is so wide and he's just not as conventional as the other sims that get re-used frequently. Also, Lilith Pleasant gets used a LOT and have you ever seen what that nose looks like on a male sim? It's intense. I'm really surprised that I'm the only one so far (I think...) that has used Ripp Grunt. He has really attractive features (for a man, at least... his daughters need to worry about the chin). Are any of the choices surprising you?

I've been thinking about devising my own variation on a Maxis sim breeding challenge, but have people start with Face One and aim to remove it, but still end up with something attractive. I'm not sure I'm up for the work of designing it, but it'd be something fun to do. Perhaps I'll suggest it for a Maxis_taste challenge.

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remisims
Jul. 15th, 2010 02:00 pm (UTC)
That would be interesting, I'd be up for trying it.
muslemura
Jul. 15th, 2010 02:04 pm (UTC)
From pretty/boring to pretty/interesting - I like the idea and think you're right, it could work as an Maxis_taste challenge :)

Ripp's genes always work out well in my game, I even like the chin on girls, except sometimes when paired with a face shorter than the standard length... I've had some a bit too interesting results - yikes!
rome_raven81
Jul. 15th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
I don't really use maxis faces myself but since I finally got the megahood to work in my game and I'm noticing some pretty interesting faces. Also after seeing the results of the Good Genes III, I'm liking the results. I would be interested to give this a try as well. When? That's the next issue to challenge.
emmelfish
Jul. 15th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
Sounds like an awesome challenge, you should certainly do it for maxis_taste. :) I love the unique facial quirks of the premades, I get especially narked when I see simmers messing around with surgery and transforming the likes of Vidcund, Florence, Malcolm and Klara into Face Ones (had a big discussion with meetme2theriver about it recently), the results are boringly vanilla. Big love to the Ripp chins and the Frances noses!
rustyrosesims
Jul. 15th, 2010 03:41 pm (UTC)
I was thinking that as I looked through the submissions - you should suggest it.

(And I'll admit that I was impressed with your result of combining JRO's genes. Here's rooting for you!)
strange_tomato
Jul. 17th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)
I had the attention span of a gnat for things like this (you have no idea how many half-started projects I have that've never been posted), but I'll try to work out my thoughts enough to suggest it to Ale at Maxis_taste.

Thanks! I don't imagine I really have a shot at winning it, but it was fun to enter. I thought Imogen turned out pretty well, too.
nimsims
Jul. 15th, 2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
the ugly didn't get bred out of mine... i ended up with duck bills up to the very last one. used 3 premades and a game generated townie... kinda jealous at the pretty people lol i used nervous subject, pascal curious, and ophelia nigmos as my maxis sims...
strange_tomato
Jul. 17th, 2010 02:46 pm (UTC)
You had the duck bill even in the last generation? Wow. Not even Nervous could trump those genes! I guess you didn't submit it. :P The super extreme features of Sy did seem to hang on for a very long time in many games.

The duck bills are so funny. I always giggle when I see those results in the challenge thread. (And it's not nearly as frightening as the eyeless sims that seem to come out of the breeding. Yikes!)
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madame_ugly
Jul. 15th, 2010 03:57 pm (UTC)
So and Uglification Challenge using only Maxis stock?

Interesting.

A few drops of Ottomas, a dash of Landgraab, and a sprinkle of Roque and you might end up with a "Chucky"!

(and don't you fret, Chester will get a shot with Sy Snootles--the minute I saw the challenge Chester made the list of "what ifs"--my submission may not be pretty but it's going to be different, that I can guarantee!)
orikes13
Jul. 15th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
Hey, Violet Joque is really pretty. :) I considered using her for those big eyes of hers.
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needlecream
Jul. 15th, 2010 06:11 pm (UTC)
I think your challenge sounds amazing, I bet people would get some really interesting results from that.
strange_tomato
Jul. 17th, 2010 02:39 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I think it'd be a great opportunity to mix up the genes and create some unique looking sims. It probably wouldn't be a contest as much as a free-for-all, now that I've thought about it.
sillysoraya
Jul. 15th, 2010 06:32 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a fun idea! I'd be interested for sure, I like to expeiment and see outcomes from very different facial structures mixed up!
I once started this plan to breed this face one-ish sim with every sim in Pleasantview. I got pretty far, and some of the kids were extremely cute and different. Mortimer Goth makes lovely children, as does Marylena something-or-other and Dina :]
strange_tomato
Jul. 17th, 2010 02:37 pm (UTC)
I'm also very interested in the outcome of breeding many different Maxis sims. I think a project like this could result in some lovely sims for pixel_trade.

I did something like that once with Don Lothario in Pleasantview. Unfortunately, there are a lot of Face Two sims (like Don) in that hood, so a lot of the children end up looking very similar. It was still fun, though. Poor Don probably had about 20 kids in that game! XD
orikes13
Jul. 15th, 2010 06:34 pm (UTC)
I think the attraction to using Oberon is that he was a unique face AND he has the elf ears. Those elf ears are like crack, I tell you. Oh, and don't forget the red hair.

When doing my entry, it was much more fun to use sims that hadn't been used too much.

I found myself breezing past the people using the face one/face two sims. It really felt like every other entry was using Brandi or Cyd. Or some combination of the pretty sims. Many players still have a very narrow perception of what's considered pretty in game. I know I've never considered using face template replacements because there are actually quite a few of the Maxis faces I like.

I'd LOVE to see a Maxis Taste challenge that's similar to this, but gives bonus points for using the less attractive sims. I seriously considered doing a run with Nervous and Sharla Ottomas. :)
strange_tomato
Jul. 16th, 2010 03:17 pm (UTC)
Yes, but Puck has those ears and the red hair, also, and he's got light blue eyes and S1, which I'd imagine to be more popular. I'm mostly surprised that they chose him over Puck, who has more classical features, but maybe they just didn't want to age up a teen. Beats me. I think Oberon is very attractive, but I didn't think so many others would agree.

I like that people are thinking that way. Variety is much more fun. I think your sim turned out quite well.

I like a number of the templates, too, and even the less fortunate ones have some redeeming qualities. I'm interested in default templates these days, though, because I already have so many template faces in my game in the various neighborhoods. I get bored with them after a while. I'm still looking for interesting templates.

I guess to make it fair, we'd need to do some sort of polling process to determine which sims are considered the ugliest, if we were going to use a point system in the challenge.
pixelcurious
Jul. 15th, 2010 06:36 pm (UTC)
I thought about using Ripp but didn't because you did. (Also I was using one from each base game neighborhood, and I knew I wanted green, so that narrowed who I could use from Strangetown).

Oberon's nose isn't bad at all. I really like it. Plus it is a lot smaller on female spawn, and he's got a great overall face shape. I think pointy ears are popular as well, so that might be a factor in the frequent choices. But you're right, he's much less conventional, and when the pack is choosing mainly Ajays and Cyds it makes you wonder.

I like your challenge idea. :)

I actually have no idea where Chester Gieke lives, I don't remember ever seeing him except in other peoples' stories!
strange_tomato
Jul. 16th, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
Chloe was a good choice. I used her in a little Good Genes side-project that I did entirely in CAS. I'm going to share her when I post my results from the GG for download.

I like Oberon's nose, too, but I did imagine it had mass appeal. The thing about the pointy ears and red hair are that Puck also has them, so i would have figured people would have picked him over Oberon, because he has a more classic beauty. Maybe most people used adults and just didn't bother aging anyone up.

Thanks. If I can work out the rules to make it clearer and more clearly its own thing, I'll probably pass them on the aledstrange for Maxis_taste. I realy don't have the attention span for organizing it myself.

Chester is a bin sim in Bluewater Village. I'm quite fond of that sub-hood, and I've been playing it a lot lately. There are some really interesting faces there. I love the Larsons, for example. And Florence is lovely.
mae_o_nays
Jul. 15th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC)
One thing that strikes me with most of the attempts so far is that I prefer the second-to-last generation to the last. A lot of the 'interesting' is bred out by the end. The trouble with using Sims like Brandi Broke (face 1) or Lola/Chloe Curious (face two) is that those face presets seem to be incredibly dominant. As much as I love Brandi as a character, she can make some really boring kids.

Breeding the interesting in would be a cool challenge.
pixelcurious
Jul. 16th, 2010 12:17 am (UTC)
Chloe is much closer to Face 3 than Face 2, and isn't exactly either. Not that it matters, but just sayin'.
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honorkid54
Jul. 15th, 2010 07:32 pm (UTC)
I tried to use sims that nobody had used. In the end, I ended up using Puck, Benedick Monty and Ophelia.

One of the choices that did surprise me was Dina Caliente. Her features are a little bit odd, but on the resulting child her face actually provided some pretty nice genes. Someone did use Malcolm Landgraab, and the resulting child wasn't bad looking at all.
naughtydolphin
Jul. 15th, 2010 09:00 pm (UTC)
I did that! His eyebrows turned up in a few of the gen three kids quite strongly, but his features were quite interesting.
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drankmywar
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:27 pm (UTC)
To be honest I don't think that winners are going to be just based on the end result, photo quality/photo editing usually comes into play as well. I guess it's not fair, but presentation goes a long way.

I'm still trying to get mine done, but Sy decides to crash my game every time I try to select her, so I'm not sure if I'll even be able to.
strange_tomato
Jul. 16th, 2010 02:46 pm (UTC)
I'm sure you're right about the final result photos playing a large part in who gets voted for. That's one of the reasons I decided to use slightly more realistic cc for my entry pics (that, and I really do like them, but they're not quite my style).

I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe you could try breeding with her using SimPE instead. Have the Maxis sim carry the baby...
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(Anonymous)
Jul. 16th, 2010 09:47 am (UTC)
I think Ripp was used one more time.
I was suprised by the amount of people that used Oberon too, someone even used PT9!
strange_tomato
Jul. 16th, 2010 02:40 pm (UTC)
Nah, he wasn't, actually. Someone used Tank, but labelled him in the family tree as Ripp. Of this, I am about 99.99% sure.

The Oberons really do surprise me, but it was madame_ugly who used P.T. No. 9, so I don't think that really counts. ;)

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