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I think the thing that really stands out for me now that I'm seriously considering my Maxis character shipping preferences is how I do not see either Dirk/Lilith or Angela/Dustin working out in the end. I never really have. Well, actually, I did have an early notion, when I first started to sim in Pleasantview, that Angela WOULD marry Dustin and live a terribly dissatisfying life of semi-poverty (Broke-style), with a criminal husband and a yard full of scary domerman pincers. (Have I mentioned my active imagination? This was way before I had any concept of sim storytelling for others. Just myself.) But now I just see Angela moving on to greener pastures, leaving Dustin to find someone else (Ginger Newson being my favourite contender at this point, given her parallel to Brandi, which is a life he knows all too well.)

I can't ever stop seeing Dirk eventually cheating on Lilith with Angela, causing a huge rift there. In my game, he always, always cheats on her, in fact. Usually with Angela, but sometimes with someone else, and often without any input from me. I don't know if he ends up with Angela, or if he eventually reconciles with Lilith, but somehow that HAS to happen for me. Lilith is all over the place for me. She nearly always gets tangled up with Don Lothario at some point in my game (*lowers voice* sometimes even while still a teen... Oh Don, you're just... yeah), and then I just see her as this amazing free spirit who maybe stays single forever. You know those amazing old ladies who were movie stars or artists or musicians, who were lovers to many famous people over the years (mostly men, but there were some exceptions, if you believe the rumours), but always stayed true to themselves and didn't settle down? Yeah, that's how I see Lilith Pleasant.

Also, Tara Kat/Chester Gieke is the nerdiest couple EVER, by far. Geeky nerds trump bookish nerds any day of the week. (That's one of mine, by the way, from my uberhood. The red hair is a bonus, but they also remind me of my cousin and her husband in an uncanny way, right down to the cat lady-ness and the too geeky/socially awkward to live hardcore videogame geek factors. I am so sold on that pairing. I've seen its proven results in RL, people! XD)

So, I'm opening the floor to other shipping chit-chat here. Please try not engage in any full-on shipping brawls, but if you feel the need to pen an impromptu shipping manifesto, then who are we to stop you? :D Go on and share your insights, amusing pairing stories from your game, and so on.


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Nov. 11th, 2010 02:20 pm (UTC)
There were actually A LOT of ships in those polls that just didn't work for me at all. Alexander Goth/anyone else is so weird to me for some reason. I guess I see him growing up to be completely asexual? Ditto with Nervous. And yet they had multiple ship possibilities.

I also giggled at Beau/Lucy because at this point your Beau is so completely embedded in my head and their relationship reads as purely platonic to me.

Honestly I mostly stuck to my obvious ships: Johnny/Ripp/Ophelia (and any combination there of), Buck/Jill, Bella/Mortimer, Nina/Don (though obvs that one will never work as a fully committed relationship). Also Frances/Beau and sometimes Frances/Tank (Tank/Lucy showed up quite a bit but I honestly just don't feel them that much - it's the same with Bottom/Vidcund. Though my feelings of ambivalence towards the latter is probably due to the fact that I find them both incredibly dull).
Nov. 11th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
I tend to agree somewhat, though I don't see either as completely asexual. And actually, Alexander Goth/Marla Biggs was one of mine, because they're basically clones of each other, but I think Marla'd be a lot warmer and more open to the world and so she'd be good for him. Also, she just looks like she belongs in the Goth family in a way that's goes beyond just being nerdy for me.

I voted for Beau/Lucy in one of the categories, but that was mostly because it wasn't up against much else that appealed to me. In an alternate interpretation, I could see it working, for sure. But yeah, my vision of Beau is pretty fully formed right now. His character just about wrote itself all in one fit of inspiration, and now I just imagine him laughing his ass off when I try to consider him with a woman.

We have all the same ships, I think. And you're the reason I eventually warmed to Nina/Don, though I also do not see it ever working out as a relationship. I didn't vote for any Don pairings, in fact. Not even Don/everyone, because relationship =/= random sexual encounter, and I can't see the man ever making good for anyone that way. He's a lost cause, too far gone, to ever really commit to anyone.

I have some pairings that I use but didn't nominate or anything (I voted, though, if it didn't conflict with anything I really cared about), because they just don't thrill me. I see them as a good pair, but I wouldn't exactly say "I ship it." I think the statement assumes you are somewhat invested in that outcome, right? In that sense, I'm not really a big shipper at all. I only have a handful of pairs that I'd fight for (possibly to the death? Watch out! XD), but I probably won't tell you who those are, for obvious reasons. ;)

(Sorry for the edits, but some mistakes totally wrecked my meanings.)

Edited at 2010-11-11 02:37 pm (UTC)
Nov. 11th, 2010 02:27 pm (UTC)
I've always broken up Dirk/Lilith and Angela/Dustin. They're teens, they can date a little. I usually tend to get Lilith into a good solid relationship and career, and have Angela fail in that dept.
Nov. 11th, 2010 02:34 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's the fact that high school relationships very rarely work out? Even if they do, I'd see them taking some time off from each other while they go to school and maybe getting back together in the end.

I really like your turn-around for Angela and Lilith. Things always balance out in the end, huh?
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Nov. 11th, 2010 02:44 pm (UTC)
One of the things that popped out for me is that I have really mixed feelings about Vidcund Curious/Bottom Summerdream. On the one hand, I like the idea based on how you've approached it. But on the other, it kind of skeeves me, because I have such a strong image in my mind of Bottom as an innocent little girl -- and Vidcund has always seemed old before his time, to me. Not to mention, in my game he was basically asexual until he became an elder. So I see him needing Viagra to get it up to begin with. xD

The other thing that popped out was the dearth of F/F pairings. I know the poll came directly from nominations, so I'm not knocking aledstrange at all. Nor am I knocking those who nominated. I just think it's odd that there were so few F/F pairs. We see F/F in legacies all the time, so I know there's isn't a bias against it. But the Maxis pre-mades don't seem to inspire many F/F matches. I don't have any theories on why this is, I just think it's curious.
Nov. 11th, 2010 02:50 pm (UTC)
I kind of wish I had put in Kaylynn/Bella for an F/F pairing because I actually do like them together.

But I didn't actually nominate anything sooooo. XD
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Nov. 11th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC)
It used to be that if I sent Angela / Lilith / Dirk / Dustin to UNI together that Dirk would cheat on Lilith with Angela and Dustin would ignore both girls.

I still don't see Angela and Dustin working long term for me and I love Dustin/Ginger together. I'd despaired what to do with Dustin until the Newsons were added to the game but as soon as Dustin and Ginger met at a kid party in my megahood I knew they were destined.

I like Lilith and Dirk together, they're one of the few Maxis Canon ships that I endorse. But, I don't believe that they go from teen sweethearts straight to happily every after. Dirk and Lilith always drift apart and then drift back together for me. Part of my love for them is from taking them out of Maxis hoods and having them end up together in my main hood. In my main hood Dirk and Lilith never knew that they were 'supposed' to be together and yet when they ended up at UNI during the same generation they migrated towards each other. They're extremely devoted grandparents now and I adore them. Of course in that hood Angela became a romance sim and it's the only time I've ever really liked her either.

My personal huge huge Maxis ship is Alexander and Bottom. It's based on similar reasons as Dirk/Lilith. In my Legacy hood, where all Maxis sims are townies, Alex and Bottom were grown up in the same generation due to outside storyline factors. They were never intended to be together and rolled conflicting aspirations; but they insisted and I fell in love with them. I love them, love their boys, and am falling hard for their grandbabies. Megahood wise, when Bottom gets the aspiration I now see her as, they always end up together with very little need for me to do much than introduce them.

I could see Bo with Vidcund, they're an easy three bolt couple. The May-December romance (if played in a rotational fashion with aging at standard intervals) would leave Bottom a widow while barely an adult and she deserves a longer romance than that. Alex and Marla work as well, they're actually in the same dorm currently and there's a bit of stalking. However, Alex needs someone that isn't his clone. He needs someone that will shake him up on occasion and remove the stick, Bo does that.
Nov. 11th, 2010 03:25 pm (UTC)
Seems we have some similar takes, then. I was wondering who else nominated Dustin/Ginger for the poll. It was a pleasant surprise to see them nominated more than once! They really do have great chemistry and a wonderfully complex relationship between their back stories.

I can also see Dirk and Lilith getting together againg after it all. That's where they were when I abandoned my borking hoods a while back. They had graduated and moved in together, despite being on bad terms at that point. I have no idea where I intended to go from there. Lilith is always a wildcard in my games, as I mentioned.

I also give very compatible aspiration for Alexander and Bottom (knowledge/fortune and knowledge/family, respectively), so I can see that pairing working, too. I'm less sold on Alexander taking to the free-spirited Summerdream approach to life, but I'm sure there's a story in that somewhere, and I could see it in the right circumstances.

I'm a little looser with ages in my game, but I still think that Vidcund would be around for quite some time with Bottom, given the lengthy elder stage (and you know Vidcund has science on his side! XD). I also don't see Bottom having a problem with outliving her husband (and least not as a reason to avoid the relationship as a rule), and I could easily see her re-marrying after he dies, for sure. Bottom being married twice makes all kinds of sense to me.

I'm pretty into Alexander/Marla. Clone or not, I see them as having very different personalities and outlooks on life, while also being very similar. One of those couples that looks identical without even really intending to. As much as I agree that Alexander could use a good shaking up, I don't really see him as the type to go that route. I don't ever see him stepping too far out of his comfort zone.
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Nov. 11th, 2010 03:15 pm (UTC)
I can't lie, I ship Nina/Don like it's my job; if I had to have an OTP, they would be it. Not in the traditional love-marriage-baby carriage way, but nothing will convince me they are not the most important people in each others' lives, and always will be. It's a mutually destructive relationship as long as they're failing to get their shit together, but at the same time there's also a lot of love there. Idk, I just love them so much. ;^;

I...actually wasn't all that excited about most of the ships in the poll (not that I can complain, seeing as how I didn't nominate anyone :P). A lot of the popular ones, I'm just not into. I'm not wild about Darren/Cassandra, for example, or any of the teen romances, Puck/Hermia aside. One canon pair I really love, Jason and Rose Greenman, didn't make the list at all, which was too bad.

I was a bit sad about the lack of F/F too, though. No Cassandra/Mary-Sue? Titania/Goneril? Catherine/Betty? Bueller? :(
Nov. 11th, 2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
I'm with you on Cassandra/Darren. It always felt too forced. And Darren is a bit of a wet noodle, for me...

Now I want to see the kids from Cassandra/Mary Sue!
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Nov. 11th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)

Oh, so now it's time to endorse our ships, I see... XD

Way before I even considered doing a Legacy, I exclusively played with Pleasantview. I'm not sure why, I guess the desert environment wasn't appealing to me. Therefore, the very first time I played with the Strangetown characters was when I began the Broke Legacy (because I took that as a challenge for me). This means I never played with the Strangetown characters the way "they were scripted" by Maxis. Most of what I know about these characters was learned from your story :D (especially the Beakers and the Curious).

I guess this is why all my noms were from Pleasantview, although I tried to add a couple noms from ST and Belladonna Cove.

I think that my canon OTP is Mortimer/Bella, if anything because their story is so weird and sad (my version of how they got together was contradicted by the Sims 3, though). I was one of the dummies who tried to resurrect Bella in the Sims 2 and was dissappointed that it never really worked.

I also ship Beau and Lucy, because that's what usually happened in my early games. Therefore, I was surprised when I ended going with Beau and Lilith in my Legacy, because it seemed like the more believable option according to the plot, although I don't ship it as a canon couple. But I loved them together and their children.

It took me a little while to warm to the idea of Beau and Frances from your story, but now I think they are adorable together. I voted for them too :)

As for your original question, I often had Lilith break up with Dirk and going out with Alexander (who by then was Dirk's "step-uncle", because I just can't let Cassandra marry Don, who I still think is behind Bella's abduction AND the father of Brandi's third kid). I also had Angela disowned by her parents and marrying Dustin in an act of rebellion after so many years of being the perfect twin. Yikes, I really turned that hood into a soap opera!
Nov. 11th, 2010 08:24 pm (UTC)
I'm a Bella/Mortimer shipper, too. To see that their love even spans several incompatible timelines (and dimensions? LOL! XD), how can anyone deny them that?

I love how wonderfully complicated it is. And the fact that it doesn't have a happy ending... or does it...? That's up to us to decide.
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Nov. 11th, 2010 03:50 pm (UTC)
I agree about Dustin/Angela and Dirk/Lilith, especially the latter. The very first time I played PV they stayed together, the former had two daughters and the latter had a son that looked kinda like David Duchovny. But Lilith cheated on Dirk with some downtownie (the S4, long brown hair, green eyes, red shirt, prettified Face #1 one... can't believe I remember that!) and had... a girl, I think. I can see the unhappy marriage drama with Dustin and Angela, but Dirk and Lilith seem too different in personality to stick together in the long run. I like to think they'd remain friends, though. I once hooked Dirk up with DJ Verse, and I really liked that pairing. They were even 3-bolters. Might have to do that again. Also, Lilith + either Ripp or Tank kinda pleases me.
Nov. 11th, 2010 08:26 pm (UTC)
...had a son that looked kinda like David Duchovny.

BRB LOLing forever! XD
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Nov. 11th, 2010 03:51 pm (UTC)
It's funny, I get invested in some ships from other people that don't even have a chance of happening with me as a player! Your version Johnny/Ophelia/Ripp is precious, but none of them ended up together as adults in my game. Likewise with emmelfish's Vidcund/Erin, ndainye's Dustin/Ginger, and some of the other more common ones like Beau/Lucy and Buck/Jill.

My Vidcund will always pine for Circe, and Erin usually ends up married into the Grunt family. Dirk and Lil eventually drift apart but Angela always ends up marrying Dustin and having 2.5 kids and a white picket fence because she thinks she has to because she's expected to be "perfect". So I don't ship them because they're NOT a great couple, but they always end up together anyway. I like the idea of Dustin with Ginger, but in my game Ginger has some serious daddy issues and she always ends up with an older, wealthier man like Armand DeBateau or Malcolm Landgraab.

I REALLY wish I didn't miss the nomination round, because I'm sure my Jasmine Rai/Zoe Zimmerman/DJ Verse threesome would have gotten a few votes. And what about Ripp/Jill or Buck/Frances? I don't think I saw those matches in the polls either.
Nov. 11th, 2010 08:09 pm (UTC)
I'm extremely surprised that Ripp/Jill didn't show up. I've encountered quite a few hardcore shippers of that pairing!
Nov. 11th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC)
The results of these polls show that your story is embedded into everybody's mind. :P

I do like most of your story pairings... I can't see Frances being with anybody else but Beau (or, Guy in my game- theyre just too sweet together) but I'm still not really into the Vidcund/Bottom or Tank/Lucy (probably because of the little guy in my icon *snicker*).

As far as the Maxis pairings go, I'm a die hard fan of Bella/Mortimer since they have been together in EVERY. SIMS. GAME. How could they NOT be together?

I see Dustin/Angela and Dirk/Lillith pretty much the same way as you. I never pay attention to the AL people (probably because I don't have the game installed on my computer) but I think Ginger would be a great match for Dustin too.
Nov. 11th, 2010 08:04 pm (UTC)
Since the Goths were pretty clearly based on the Addams family, I always see Bella and Mortimer as having an epic Gomez/Morticia type of love.
Nov. 11th, 2010 04:25 pm (UTC)
In my game Tank and Lilith ended up together. They both had the same LTW, and it work out very nicely. Angela ended up basically failing at life. But Alexander Goth and Lucy Burb always end up getting involved at some point in my game.
Nov. 11th, 2010 04:30 pm (UTC)
I'm sure I'm not the only perv who's done the twincest thing with Angela/Lilath... though I've never screenshotted it and written it up. *grin*
Nov. 11th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
I once saw a VERY, uh, interesting video involving those two. There was some vengeful twin switching going on and somehow Kaylynn and the Oresha-Hoh-Var Fraternity got "involved" but in the end, they uh, were getting along GREAT. I think it got taken down though.
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Nov. 11th, 2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
Aside from the Goth family, I'm not a big fan of PV, so in general, I just play the teen couples together until college, where usually, Dirk and Angela end up obsessed with studies, Dustin enjoys the wild side of college life, and Lilith looks for more interesting choices.(and when Ripp's around, he's one of them lol)

I never thought of Chester/Tara and now I really want to try now, but for me Vid/Cassie are the nerdiest of them all. They are just too cute, with the glasses and all :P

And YAY for ship's talk!! ^_^
Now, I'm inspired and want to get my Vid married!! <3
Nov. 11th, 2010 06:36 pm (UTC)
I think my Pleasantview shipping has been permanently altered by playing reversed gender Pleasantview. I keep seeing Lilith as Lionel and Angela as Angus. I do see what you're saying about the high school sweetheart problem. Pairings for the Pleasant twins become interesting when they or their partner have to grow and change. I really became enamored of the idea of Dustin/Dusty putting his or her past behind and making something of him/herself. If Dustin/Dusty stays with Angus/Angela, that can't happen, because the thrill for Angus/Angela is dating a bad boy/girl. I have a hard time seeing Angela changing in any way. Lilith, on the other hand, has every incentive to change. I could see her with Dirk or another totally different partner. I like her and Ripp, too.

I think forcing Don to be with any one woman is cruel, whether he is Don or Donna. I look at him and I start humming the theme to “Born Free."

I think probably the only Maxis Sim couple I truly ship is Tybalt/Mercutio. That is my Maxis OTP. Conversely, I just can't get behind Romeo/Juliette.

But I think the larger question is how one's views have been shaped by reading other people's stories. Many of the ships I voted for weren't ones I played, but were ones I read about and thought were cool. I. don't play strange town at all, and I don't have access to Desiderata Village or Belladonna Cove. This is one reason I have become such a fan of Maxis-based stories. It is like giving a lot of people identical sets of paints or of dollies and seeing how different and creative everyone can be.

EDIT: Crazy cat ladies are ALWAYS win.

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Nov. 11th, 2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
I like to have Angela fulfill her dream of being a seaboat captain and hook up with a hot Twikki island native. Tybalt/Mercutio are interesting but extremely hard to do. With the help of ACR I literally had a slap slap kiss thing going on. They end up in a poly relationship with Delilah, who helped mellow them out. I always make Alexander gay and hook up with a literal goth. Either a resurrected Fricorith or that Tricou lovechild downtownie(though he grows up into a potato-face.) And my Mary Sue secretly has a vampire fetish on which ends up making her a lot cooler in Lilith's eyes.

I've pretty much fallen in love with Dina Caliente. I know Maxis just wanted us to think of her as an evil gold digger who got rid of Bella with an evil plan, but they made some mistakes with that. For one think, Michael Bachelor wasn't a rich sim, so she either loved him or really sucks at gold digging. OR she's a victim of child grooming, I mean he was her best friend who gave her her first kiss as a teen, even though he's like thirty years older than her. (I'm actually working on a story to make their love story less squickier. There's so many inconsistencies with Michael Bachelor and his age I decided to pick and choose.) Also her torrid affair with Don Lothario never went below the neck or even to the make out stage.

However, if I want to play an evil Dina, then she's OBSESSED with Bella Goth in every way possible, so first she marries the brother and then eventually decides she wants to BE Bella, hence the abduction thing. Either way, she always helps fund Brandi's pastry business, showing she's not all bad.
Nov. 11th, 2010 08:27 pm (UTC)
Whoa, the wanting to be Bella angle is blowing my mind a little bit. I'd never looked at the situation that way, but if someone wrote something along those lines I'd read the hell out of it.
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Nov. 11th, 2010 11:05 pm (UTC)
Late to the party, but I do have my two cents to throw in!

Obviously, I'm biased. I definitely see where Angela and Dustin would fail, but they grew up together. In my mind, Angela is someone who is very concerned with firsts and milestones and Dustin was her first. She saw everything he went through and of course part of her holds on to the hope that he can change, and that he will make something of himself, but that's my interpretation. I have very definite ideas about whether they work out or not but I don't want to spoil my story (that will apparently never be finished).

Wrt Lilith/Dirk, I totally see your version of it. Lilith is totally a wildcard and someone who wouldn't allow herself to be tied down to anything, and poor Dirk gets left behind in what I see as her struggle to find her identity outside of being the bad daughter, Angela's sister, etc. I see Dirk as someone who would crave stability, and having a happy home life (trying to recreate the marriage of his parents) and Lilith does not *do* happy home life (child of dysfunctional marriage, did you miss the memo) so their relationship kind of falls apart on that level as well.

I basically went with my heart and soul otps and nominated Erin/Lazlo, Bottom/Vid, Johnny/Ophelia, and Beau/Franny. I WAS HEAVILY INSPIRED BY OUTSIDE SOURCES.
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