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Inspired by the disjointed conversation of Tumblr (and worry about annoying people with lost of text posts while attempting to have one, and so on...), I'd like to try to have a conversation here. What are you excited for in TS4 from what we've seen so far? The return of rotational gameplay? The breastfeeding option? The awesome cat vest?! Are you worried about the sim count and lot limit? Do you love or hate the style? Or are you over it all already? Let's hear it! :)

I'm not around as often as I used to be, so please talk amongst yourselves here as much as you like! I do get windows of time to participate (usually with a sleeping, teething baby worn on me in a carrier, or when my toddler wants to watch "the YouTubes"), so I will jump in whenever I can.

Also, hi! It's been a while. :) I miss this.

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rockethorse
Jun. 25th, 2014 02:58 pm (UTC)
I really love, love, love the aesthetic, even the plastic hair everyone seems to hate. The whole style is so gorgeously soft and bright and fun! I don't have a problem with the lighting or objects so far but I'd have to see them in-game. There will be plenty of mods for it, though, no doubt.

Something I'm really happy/excited about that other people haven't mentioned so far is that you can give guys some actual body shape/definition. I'm very happy that we have a lot more diversity with all Sims, naturally, but it seems like EAxis was always happy to give female Sims more shape/definition (i.e. ~sexiness~) but were afraid to give dudes any shape other than "barrel chest". But all the TS4 Sims we've seen so far have had GOOD BODY SHAPES - natural, visually appealing, and diverse. And their clothes ACTUALLY FIT. I'm really liking all the clothes we've seen so far (cat vest cat vest) but I'm especially happy to see T-shirts that don't end weirdly at the navel and actually hang organically off the Sims' bodies. Potentially good styles in TS3 were completely ruined by having the totally wrong fit.

I'm interested in seeing how traits and moodlets carry over and mix with the new emotions system, if they do. Traits & moodlets were one of my favourite parts of TS3 gameplay so I hope they return, although I guess emotions could easily take the place of moodlets. I am a little worried, though, that the emotions system will be too "trigger happy", so to speak; while TS3 Sims could have multiple moodlets stack up (I'm happy about my promotion, but I also have a lot of stress right now, etc.), I'm afraid that emotions in TS4 will override each other based on whatever happened most recently and create unrealistic/jarring mood swings - "Woohoo! I just got promoted! I'm walking on air! I- wait, is that food rotten?? Ugh, GROSS. Now I'm mad!" and they won't get back their post-promotion high even though that should be running in the background for at least a few Sim days. There will probably also be mods for that, too.

Mostly I'm just looking forward to developing a totally new style of play! I'm really pleased to see how much it's borrowing from TS2.
strange_tomato
Jun. 25th, 2014 03:43 pm (UTC)
I agree with you about the hair, but like many others, I don't love the new yellow-blond colour. It's just not the most appealing hue, in my opinion. I can't remember if there was another blond option, but hopefully we can recolour or replace it.

The body shaping in CAS is amazing, and the layers of body fat and muscle definition are separate sliders, so that's a huge improvement. I'll really excited about CAS! Even my SO, who isn't much interested in sim games, says he can't wait to mess around with it. (Good news for us all, because I think he'll make some fantastic sims! Which I will then share...)

I'm sure we'll look back at the clothing and sigh one day, because time marches on and styles do change (even fit - some of this stuff will seem way too fitted eventually), but they seem to have a lot of classic options there. "Style" vs. "fashion" if you know what I mean, and options for different ages and stages. The cat vest gives me so much hope for character stuff. Give me quirky, give me weird, give me unfashionable! I love having those options, and cc tends to let us down in this regard, most of the time.

I'm concerned that emotions have sort of replaced personality, in a sense. What's driving whether a sim gets a certain emotion in a certain situation? I wanted a much meatier personality system than three traits. Detailed in the way that the CAS is, with much broader range and subtle difference. I'll give their system a chance before I write it off, but it's not what I would have done (if I had any ability to program, LOL! Hard for me to talk...)

That said, the aspirations look great! Most of the (good) TS2 options, and some nice new ones. Nurture? Deviance? Yes, please! I wonder if Love is similar to Romance, or does that get covered by some of the traits, like fear of commitment? I love the Romance asp. in TS2, but it can be a little bit one-note that way.

I'm also looking to embrace it as a whole new game. I know now that I will always have TS2 (as others will always have TS3, if they love it), so that sort of apprehension of losing this game and community no longer hangs over my head at all. I'm just hoping to have a new game that I also love! :)
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truly_kristan
Jun. 25th, 2014 03:44 pm (UTC)
What Rocket said!

I'm very excited for it all!

Even though I'm not a builder, I'm really excited to try all of the new build mode options. I love that we can add a foundation after the house is already built and change its height. LOVE that we can add all of the windows at once and move their heights. I especially love that we will be able to move the actual building to a different spot on the lot. There have been plenty of times that I have built a house and realized that I could have placed it in a better spot but it was too late to change it.

I'm looking forward to September 2nd!
strange_tomato
Jun. 25th, 2014 05:36 pm (UTC)
Yes, above all, I'm very excited! I'm sure anyone following me on Tumblr can tell. Haha!

As someone who is also not much of a builder, I really appreciate how easy they're making it. The options to automatically add furniture is brilliant, in my opinion. We'll still have the option to do it all manually, but this will limit how many empty boxes I'll end up with if I ever decide to try building on my own.

Being able to move the house is also wonderful! How many times have we wanted to do this with the premade lots in TS2?
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showercapfrog
Jun. 25th, 2014 03:46 pm (UTC)
Mostly the CAT VEST!
I'm slightly worried about the lot limit, but my sims were never really huge community lot goers. And maybe this way it'll get me to actually play a whole city instead of doing random lengthy periods of time with one sim (and then they die of old age before their teenage sweetheart becomes an adult!)

The style is very Lego mixed with plasticine but I don't think I mind that.

Mostly I want it to be out so I can get some honest reviews from other players before deciding whether or not to be hyped about it...
adalaemay
Jun. 25th, 2014 04:07 pm (UTC)
I LOVE the hair! TS3 hair was way to stringy for my liking. I really like how they are giving us a middle ground between an open and closed world with the option of universal aging. That is what definitely sold me. I gave TS3 up because I couldn't control everything that was going on and because of that, I felt limited to only one family. It was like playing an RPG which is not what I want in the Sims. I'm really hoping TS4 will let me micromanage as much as I do in TS2.
pnkpnthr334
Jun. 25th, 2014 05:12 pm (UTC)
I am very excited for TS4! I immediately liked the brighter, more cartoony look of it. Although I am one of the players who hate the look of the hair. It just looks too clumped and stiff to me, but maybe I'll like it better once I've seen it in action.

I'm most eager to play with gardening. It's my favorite feature from TS2 and TS3, but TS4 has Mendelian genetics! I cannot wait to see what kind of plants we get from that! I'm also excited to see how they altered collecting, since that was my absolute favorite favorite feature in TS3 (it's pretty much all I do!).

I'm not quite sure how I feel about emotions yet. I liked moodlets in TS3 and how any one Sim could have a mix of positive and negatives ones, but whichever ones were "biggest" would dictate their mood. But emotions...I don't know. From what I've read so far it seems like they can only feel on thing at time, and it'll last some amount of time before some other emotion comes in. Maybe that's wrong, and hopefully it is. Otherwise emotions will be very one dimensional.

Build mode! I hate building, but it looks like it'll be much easier to get a decent house and make changes to it! This is awesome for someone like me who generally just throws some rectangles together and adds an auto-roof. :P
strange_tomato
Jun. 25th, 2014 05:22 pm (UTC)
The gardening has Mendelian genetics?! Okay, so the sims themselves surely must have a nice robust genetics system, complete with all sorts of recessives, right? I wish they'd talk about that in more detail. It's easily the thing I care the most about in the game.

I also enjoy gardening with sims very much, so that's great news! It sounds like it will be really fun to play with.
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melodyinn
Jun. 25th, 2014 06:04 pm (UTC)
Personally I'm looking forward to playing TS4 (but there's no way I'm gonna drop 500HKD if it's that much on box release - if they even release a box set at all).

(Rant coming up)

I'm really hoping they're keeping true to their "adding more content", because right now from what I've seen in videos, I could easily play this vanilla and be content. I'm loving the styles (oh thank god there seems to be less clothes that were dug up from the back abyss of the closets), I am stoked about the CAS (don't really care for the lack of CASt, since I didn't really like TS3 that much) and as far as the plastic hair goes - honestly? I think it looks a bit better than TS3 hairs. Textures are not any worse or better than TS2 or TS3, so I don't really understand why people hate them so much, but to each their own.

I'm a little concerned about the lack of confirmation of toddlers (not that I really like playing kids anyways, but still |D). They haven't said anything or been allowed to say anything about toddler age group. Am loving the fact that all clothes have maternity states! As for the lot limit thing, I rarely ever play community lots because it lags my computer quite a bit, so the less work for it the better in my book.

Interested in seeing how the emotions will play out; not entirely sure what to really think about them till I can actually experience it myself, but yes - I'm a bit excited :)
slyndsey
Jun. 25th, 2014 06:45 pm (UTC)
I'm quite excited about the game myself. I love the look of everything - the hair, the sims, the neighborhood. I'm a little worried about the glow look on some things though.

I'm really scared about the toddlers! I don't think they're even going to be in the game at this point. Will babies just magically grow into children? o.o
leech_jar
Jun. 25th, 2014 07:25 pm (UTC)
I am *super* excited for the new build mode! When I saw that, that's when I decided that I was going to get the game.

I also love the new CAS. I'm not crazy about the blonde hair color, but I actually think that the plastic-ness kind of works with all of the other hair colors? It doesn't really matter that much, because I'm sure there will be defaults to fix that. ;) I love all of the different body shapes, but I'm a little worried about the "molding like clay" aspect -- I don't have a very ergonomic computer/mouse set up, so holding down a mouse button and making tiny movements bugs my wrist (and thus, my short love affair with floor plan designers came to an end). But there are a lot of templates, so I might not even bother with that.

I'm really worried about the lot limit, though. (I guess we won't be able to do BACCs in this game?) And I just can't see how they could skip toddlers. Or why they'd want to do that, either.
cindyanne1
Jun. 25th, 2014 09:09 pm (UTC)
For the first time, I'm not pre-ordering or planning to buy it as soon as it comes out. I want to wait until the bugs are worked out if they ever are.

I've been really burned by The Sims 3. TS3 disappointed me on almost every level. I was so, so excited for it and then when it came it was a nightmare of random crashes and painfully slow gameplay. The ugly, goofy expressions on the sims themselves, along with the corncob-up-the-ass method of walking and the female's perpetual slouch I could look past... but I wasn't even able to PLAY a lot of the time because it would be so slow and choppy, and on my computer that shouldn't have happened.

I can remember getting so angry at the game that I literally yelled (to no one in particular, although I'm pretty sure I scared the dog) "WHAT THE HELL DO I HAVE TO DO, HAVE A COMPUTER DESIGNED BY NASA TO PLAY THIS GODDAMN GAME???"

It is so frustrating! I've never figured out how ANYONE has been able to get that game to run for any length of time without crashing or going slow/freezing periodically, or lots being unable to load, or content going missing, or sims going missing, or SOMETHING.

I know everyone always would say to download Twallan's mods, but IMO a game shouldn't have to have 3rd party content to do the most basic task of simply RUNNING. It's ridiculous. And there's EA Games, sitting back with the money I already spent on their piece of trash game that they won't bother to fix... and they expect me to be excited to fork over even more money for something that sounds like it has every potential in the world to be even worse?

Nope. Not gonna happen. I'm not the smartest person in the world with money, but even I know not to throw cash into a toilet and flush it.

However, I'll be following up on the communities and feedback from the people who are playing. I'm not saying I'll never buy it, but I won't be doing it right away.
strange_tomato
Jun. 25th, 2014 09:18 pm (UTC)
That's wise. It's always a good idea to wait and get some feedback from those who buy the game right away. I'm pretty excited to try out the CAS, but I'm probably going to need to wait a while anyway. I have to be more discriminating about my purchases these days. (Too bad you can't rent games from the library. I do that with almost everything else!)

Have you heard about the lack of toddlers in the basegame (made official today)? I imagine you wouldn't be too pleased about that! Haha! (I laugh rather than cry, because come on, EA!)
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alien_cats14
Jun. 26th, 2014 12:05 am (UTC)
Well... I'm mostly a TS2 player. TS3 wasn't cutting it for me, and I figured that one mods giant mods folder was enough for my poor old PC, so TS3 was uninstalled and left to fester in my Amazon downloads library.

I loved the TS4 aesthetic, and practically drooled at the CAS customization, but this recent news involving a lack of toddlers and pools isn't warming me up to the game.

Overall, as tempting as that customization is, I've postponed pre-ordering until post-release. Plus, it'll take a while for mods/cc to be created -- and I don't really play vanilla games, as proven my my bloated cc files in the TS2 downloads folder. And I'm happy enough with my TS2 game (having just purchased most of the EP's). There's still a lot of that game left to explore and enjoy, for me.

TL;DR: Wish I could be optimistic, but I've embraced soul-crushing pessimism.
himawari_oji
Jun. 26th, 2014 12:16 am (UTC)
I was sold the minute I saw what the game looks like. I'm so happy they are going back to the cartoony look, because that is what makes TS2 so amazing for me. Of course, TS4 won't be a replacement for TS2, but the game suits my style, which I am very excited about!

And, of course, I am very very happy about Grim Reaper. He is my favourite part of The Sims, and I think his new design is fantastic! :D

There isn't really anything I can think of that puts me off about the game yet. I'm sort of waiting to play it first before making judgements and deciding that this or that which is missing or done poorly makes the game worse. Some of the stuff I've read sounds a bit odd (like the toddler thing), but, once again, I'm waiting to see how these things effect the game before dissing any of it.

My only concern is the system requirements. They claim they will make it more accessible, but their terms of accessible and mine might not be on the same page. And as a dirt poor student, I'd be very unhappy if I have to wait bazillion years before I can afford a computer that can cope with The Sims 4. I've still not fully experienced and enjoyed The Sims 3 for this reason, and it's frustrating that the next game is already being released before I had the chance to actually get anywhere with it. I don't want to experience that with The Sims 4 again. Nope.

The price of the game itself (especially here in Australia) is silly in my opinion, but I am prepared to pay for it - I do understand that these things have budgets and they do also want to get some profit. And all those people who worked their butts off to produce this game for us also have families to feed, so the price of the game is not going to put me off.

Overall, I am very excited and cannot wait until the game is released!
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redqueenofevil
Jun. 26th, 2014 12:35 am (UTC)
The game looks good, and the sims are way prettier than their TS3 counterparts. I'm disappointed about lack of toddlers and lack of pools, especially the pools.

Not pre-ordering the game though. I never have time to sim anymore, having simmed for the first time in over six months last night. Ahh, parenthood.

Still,I hope some time will become available so I can try out ts4.

Nice to see you post here. It has been way too long. I hope you are well. I have a tumblr, but I don't go there often. Pianissamma. Cheers.
skellington7d
Jun. 26th, 2014 01:59 am (UTC)
Ah LJ. <3 The latest news does make me lose some faith in the game, the way the whole thing was handled and how they were so evasive about it. I can only hope the babies will take on more aspects of toddlers and they'll be sort of combined. :/

I don't see what the pool thing could be besides money leeching. All I can say is the EP they include it in better have vacations AND seasons AND beaches.

On a more positive note, I really like the basegame clothes that we've seen and the CAS workings.
leech_jar
Jun. 26th, 2014 10:43 pm (UTC)
I think they've said that there won't be any combining -- babies will just be babies, with no toddler traits. :(
lisag45
Jun. 26th, 2014 05:24 am (UTC)
I'm not feeling very positive about TS4, especially after today's news about toddlers missing, and quite truthfully that really irks me because I so wanted a new Sims game to get excited about.

I own everything for TS2 and I loved how it was to look forward to new expansions and stuff packs. Sims 3 came out and I was "Eh..." I never liked the pudding looks and held off buying the game for a few weeks until my friends that were playing convinced me I should give it a try. I should have saved my money. Even with defaults in the look of the TS3 sims never wowed me and I despised the story progression. The base game patch came out and I just never bothered to install it and never played the game again. Sims 2 was so much better, in my opinion. But even with all my S3 dislike I was envious when people were posting about the new content- I missed that and had hoped TS4 would give me that again. Sigh...

I like the look of the new game. The cartoony look, even the plastic hair, reminds me of some of the TV shows my kids watch and it grows on you with repeated exposure. The clothes look nice, the create a sim controls look awesome, and what we've seen of the hoods and the way they work appeals to me. I'm a little worried about the build mode because I like being able to build one wall at a time, but I figured it would be good after the learning curve was taken into consideration. I've been concerned about the computer specs since I play on a laptop and can't switch out stuff like my graphics card and this continues to me a big worry since they still haven't locked them down, something I find riduculous when they are planning on releasing the game in just a few months. The fact that they are still working in the game is not a positive thing for me- I don't like being an unpaid beta tester and feel there is no way they can properly test the game with the time they have left, but I was willing to cut them some slack. I've got other concerns, but overall I was happy. Not pre-order happy, but on the side of the fence that was leaning toward buying the game.

Npw this... The missing toddler thing really bugs me. I play a generational game and those little rugrats are important to that. And the idea that they are going to be a baby one second and then "Boom!" they are kids is just too weird for me. I hear everybody saying, but they can add them in an expansion pack and my thought is "I'm paying how much for this base game and they don't even have all the age groups???" Personally I don't like EA enough to want to give them extra money for something that should have been included in the first place. The lack of the toddlers just pushed home how the production team is scrambling to finish in time and that corporate EA doesn't care about giving us a complete or non-buggy game, not when they already have our money in their pocket and can get us to buy expansions and store content to make up for the stuff they aren't giving us originally.

Edited at 2014-06-26 05:35 am (UTC)
joandsarah
Jun. 26th, 2014 12:12 pm (UTC)
Since they are not including toddlers in the base game I won't be buying it until that is resolved and it better be resolved in some amazing manner. My husband was going to get it for my birthday, as while i wasn't wild about some of the things, I could cope with them, but no toddlers is a deal breaker for me so I told him not to bother, I think I will get Skyrim instead.

Just adding, this is the official blurb on it, hidden and offhand.

http://www.thesims.com/news/neighborhoods-weird-moments-and-more Down near the bottom, on no toddlers.

Edited at 2014-06-26 12:49 pm (UTC)
meetme2theriver
Jun. 26th, 2014 01:16 pm (UTC)
But there's WEIRD AND WACKY STORIES to be told!!!!1

*grumpy cat >:(*
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